taxes, entitlements, you name it, we're ready to talk. >> you would begin with the tax situation, right? i would begin with the spending but you are smarter than me. >> so you say to mr. obama, all right, we're willing to compromise here if it's reasonable. all right? how much more do you want to squeeze out of the upper 2%? and he says probably, i want to go back to the rate clinton had 39.5 and i want to raise capital gains to 25%. do you, lou dobbs, give him that if there is something else that he has to give? >> i certainly would not give him that without conditions. >> bill: but you would think about it it? >> absolutely. that's what i'm saying. the dobbs plan says that reasonable, reasonable, what does that mean? that a little bit of tax hike on the wealthy, and wouldn't be a little bit. what is it estimated to be about something like a billion a year. >> $82 billion. >> bill: a year? >> per year. >> bill: that's still not -- all right. so, but then to get those tax hikes, what does lou dobbs want as far as spending cuts? >> well, you know, first of all i wouldn't negotiate in the